Chelsea shares her remarkable journey from a debilitating diagnosis of psoriatic arthritis to a life of significantly reduced pain through lifestyle changes. Her story is a testament to the power of determination, dietary adjustments, and exercise.

We discuss in this interview:

• Chelsea’s diagnosis with psoriatic arthritis in December 2024 after experiencing unexplained symptoms for three years
• How she was initially advised to start biologics by her rheumatologist, which she hesitantly delayed in favor of exploring alternative options
• The support she found in the Paddison Program, leading to a plant-based diet and significant lifestyle modifications
• The dramatic reduction in symptoms Chelsea experienced within weeks, attributing the improvement to addressing gut health
• Her dedication led to a 90% reduction in joint pain, impressing her rheumatologist to the point of reconsidering the need for biologics
• How Chelsea’s family adapted to her new eating habits, enhancing their overall health and setting an example for her children.
• Through consistent exercise, Chelsea was able to regain her strength and manage flare-ups effectively
• She continues to monitor and adjust her lifestyle, focusing on her remaining challenges with jaw pain and psoriasis
• The importance of commitment and support in undertaking such a significant lifestyle overhaul

Clint – Thanks for joining me today. We have Chelsea to chat with us on this episode of the podcast. And it’s going to be very, very interesting because Chelsea was recommended to go on to biologic drugs. She had pain in many, many joints throughout her body. And then she went on a mission with us, and we helped her implement lifestyle changes. And her lifestyle changes has led to her not needing to go on biologic drugs. And as we’ll hear from her in just a second, cause great amazement and shock from her rheumatologist, who was incredibly impressed with what she’s been able to achieve. So her recent communication to me offline was that she’s been able to eliminate 90% of the pain in her body. And again, as we’ll hear in a moment, it was spread throughout multiple joints, which we’ll get into. So Chelsea, thanks for joining me today. This is going to be a lot of fun.

Chelsea – Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

Clint – Give us the before and after. At least give us a short snapshot of a situation that illustrates just how far you’ve come.

Chelsea – So a short snapshot. So I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in December of 2024, so about a year and a half ago. Before that I had a bunch of different symptoms, no one knew what was going on. Like they have three little kids 18 months and under you’re stressed like that’s why you’re having chest pain, that’s why you’re having all these different things. And I was like, no, like something else is going on. So that was going on for probably three years. And then I got psoriasis really bad. And then from there they were able to diagnose me because then I was having joint pain and they’re like, okay, I’m going to send my dermatologist, sent me to a rheumatologist. And then when I got there, um, she was making me move around and bend my joints and she was like, it’s everywhere. Like it’s in your spine, like, I don’t know how you’re okay right now. She strongly encouraged me taking biologics. And my husband was there with me. Um, during our initial visit, and we’re both kind of surprised, um, that they were encouraging that. And we’re like, can you just, like, can we look into something else? Like what other options are like? We can exercise. We can like, do all these things. Um, and she’s like, well, like, I really don’t want you to do that. Like, if you’re my patient, I want you to be okay. I strongly don’t think you should do that, I want you to start taking biologics. I didn’t even start with anything else. She’s like, I need you to start taking these now. And I was like, please, like, just give me a couple of months. She’s like, okay, fine. So she gave us a few months. I already found this program with Clint and we gave it a try. And within two weeks of eating buckwheat and greens and tons of juice, my symptoms already had gone down like 70%, which was wild. So we knew it was clearly like a gut issue. And then I started doing different workouts and like working on my joints. Um, drinking tons and tons of water. And within a few months, my symptoms went down 90%, specifically my joints. I still get some psoriasis because psoriasis is strange. Um, but yeah, it went down 90% within just a couple of months. And then I went back to my rheumatologist at whatever month mark that was around three months, and she was shocked. She was like, I don’t think you need to take biologics. She’s like, I’ve never seen this before. I wish all my patients could do this. And she’s like, I don’t know how long you can do it. Um, but like, good for you. Like, come back in six months. My next appointment is actually next week, which will be the six month mark from, um, whenever that was.

Clint – And how do you feel now compared to that last visit with the rheumatologist?

Chelsea – Amazing. So my joints barely hurt.

Clint – The reason I’m pausing here is the profound nature of the information. I mean, how many people out there are going through treatment plans who would otherwise be unaware of what’s possible for them if they were also aware of lifestyle changes? That’s not to say that people shouldn’t do their treatment plan, it’s just to say that imagine how much better they could feel before starting. Or like in your case, maybe with their rheumatologist’s approval, not need to start. So how does this sit with you? Like, well, how do you reflect upon this where you’ve been offered that treatment plan and then you’ve done this instead. And then you reflect on how far you’ve come. How does the mind process this?

Chelsea – It’s just it’s wild. So I always thought we ate healthy as a family. And we did compared to, you know, most other people in America, we ate pretty well. Um, but just seeing, like, the vast difference. And it’s one of those things that you want to tell people, you know, like, I’ll be on the playground with my kids and someone’s like, talking about whatever it is, and I don’t know, it just comes up Them like, oh, did you see me? Like last year when I was, like, doing this. Like, I’m a completely different person. Um, like, I’m more energy for my kids. I, you know, I still have flares. I still have, you know, I still have the disease. Um, and it does still affect me, but nothing like before. Um, and I do catch myself, oh, your friend has rheumatoid arthritis. Like, oh, does she know about this? You know, it’s just one of those things that you want to share with people. Which is why I would do this, because normally I’m not one to, you know, speak, um, or do videos or podcasts, like, I’ve never done any of that. But like, I want other people to who have psoriatic arthritis even, um, which there is less information on to know like it is possible and it will help or it can help a lot of people.

Clint – And thank you already. Well thank you at the end and and and so forth, as I always do. But, uh, yeah, the platform’s not for everybody, we only share a fraction of the people who get outstanding results. Um, because a lot of people, you know, they don’t want they don’t just don’t want the format and that’s perfectly fine. So thank you. But you do want this message to get out there. And when you have something that is of such help to people, it should be spread. So thank you. So now tell us what you did. Right. So we’ve heard about some buckwheat. We’ve heard about some salads.

Chelsea – Lots of buckwheat.

Clint – Walk us through what you did.

Chelsea – So I started eating plant based because I knew I should do that before I started the program. And I was like, oh, I’ll just eat plants and then I’ll be fine, you know, like, I’ll, you know, like it’s cool. Like, I’m sure plants are good. So I eat plants for from March. So it’s been almost a year until July, and then I was still having symptoms, but it was better. It was definitely better. And then July is when we committed and did the, um, the full program. I remember with the name of the.

Clint – Transformational coaching.

Chelsea – Yeah. Where I can actually like, communicate with the different people and doctors and, um, a more intensive program. Um, so I started doing that in July and then did exactly like exactly to the t, the ABC food groups. Um, even we went on vacation we were so determined. My husband was so helpful with everything. We started this knowing we were going on vacation for two weeks with family, like a week and a half or something after I started. So I went on Facebook Marketplace. I bought a juicer like I sent it there, like I had my things, um, and like, we just made it work because we knew it was going to help. Um, yeah. By the time I got to Group B, I started introducing, like, new foods. Bananas were my big thing. I would eat a 10th of a banana, and within 20 minutes my joints would hurt and I’d have extreme fatigue. So clearly it was a joint issue. And then I later on would slowly introduce it after. I don’t know if I took at least two months and I’d be like, one little bite at a time. Um, and now, no problem, I can eat a banana and now I can eat so much, like all plants no problem.

Clint – Yeah. So this is the beauty of this sort of part that you’re sharing here is that when we’ve got food sensitivities to foods that we know are outstanding for our health, we don’t, therefore, shelve those foods for the rest of our life and say, I can’t eat them. I’ve got food sensitivities. We must eat those foods. We know, for example, the benefits of bananas with gut health. They are one of the most beneficial foods we can possibly eat to provide a fuel for the microbiome so that they can create short chain fatty acids. So we can’t, like, ignore that fact. We have to say, okay, how do I massage these foods slowly into my life without stirring up symptoms along the way? And so, yeah, um, sometimes we, uh, we fear those foods and bananas were one for me as well. That took a very long time. And it wasn’t until I did what you did, which was microdose these into my diet and then eventually be able to tolerate them. And now bananas are a staple and I’ll eat at least one, if not often 2 or 3 per day. So brilliant, okay, big insight number one. That’s fantastic. What about some of the other foods? Um, how did you go with introducing oats, for example, which is another food that we microdose and lentils and anything else that you notice that may have been easy or problematic? Just your experience around the reintroduction.

Chelsea – I know oats, I added it in with the buckwheat like a small amount at a time and it was no problem. Um, lentils do the same thing. She put a tiny amount in my already like mush bowl I was making with the sweet potatoes. And then I would slowly add in, like, something to make it taste better, like some miso or some different things. And I have no bananas was my biggest thing. I didn’t have a lot of issues with most of the other food. By the time I got to that point when I did them in small doses.

Clint – Amazing. Okay, great. What do foods look like now for the family? For example, do you have a range of recipes that you’ve got that enable you to make foods quickly that you can enjoy on rotation? Or are you always looking for new ideas? Like what food look like for you?

Chelsea – Kind of both. Um, we do a lot of, like, grain bowls, like for the entire family, but I will. They do eat meat sometimes, probably twice a week. So I’ll do just a bowl. Beans, rice, you know, put a bunch of things on the table. Sweet potatoes, um, chicken for them. Uh, and kind of just mix it all together. We do that probably twice a week and make, like, little taco bowls. You know, we put avocados in there, and the kids like it. They’ve learned to mix their foods before. They didn’t want to mix things all together, you know? So that’s a big deal. Um, and then sometimes the kids do, or my family will eat something different than I do. Um, and that’s fine. Uh, but usually I say over probably 80% of the time we eat the same thing. And I do have one cookbook that I really like. I don’t know the name of it right now. Um, but it is a plant based, no oil, no sugar, um, cookbook. So I make muffins from there for my kids. These blueberry muffins that are incredible, and there’s a few different things in there that we make often granola things like that. Still tons of oatmeal for all of us multiple times a week.

Clint – Amazing. Amazing. Okay, awesome. How does it feel to be a mum who, whilst having an autoimmune disease, can also be an inspiration to the kids and how old the kids. They’re young, aren’t they?

Chelsea – Five, five and six.

Clint – Five, five and six?

Chelsea – Yeah. All boys. Six year old is almost seven.

Clint – Okay, lovely. So where I’m going with this is something that that motivates me and a lot of people who we work with is when they have children, they want to get the feeling like they know the formula so that touch wood, God forbid, whatever you want to say, that the kids develop something in the future which is autoimmune related. They can look at the parent and they say, well, I know what to do because mum did this or I know what to do because dad did this and he managed to get this under control. In addition to that, they’re now eating in a way that dramatically lowers the likelihood, statistically, of them actually developing the disease. And so there’s two things going on, they’re being inspired. And you’ve got a success formula, but you’re also preventing the risk of it occurring. So like how much sense of accomplishment or satisfaction does that give.

Chelsea – They’re still really young and I do. I’m so glad that like I found you know that this is, you know, helpful the way I’m eating um, while I’m young too. And we’re able to introduce it when they’re young. Um, they’re still they still question like why. Like they know mommy only eats plants, and they’ll talk about it all the time. Like, we’ll go out to eat or something and like, oh, my mom can only have plants. Or different things like that. Like, mommy, don’t you wish you could eat this? And then it becomes a good conversation. I’m like, no, I don’t like I. It’s more of that. They’re like, don’t you wish you could eat this? Whatever. I was like, no, I don’t like I know my body will not feel good. And then I’ll be like, how do you feel? Like we’re at a party or something. They eat a donut, whatever. You know, like I’m not strict for out and about, like it’s fine. Um, at home, we’re not going to eat that. Um, but I was like, okay, how do you feel? And then a lot of times afterwards, they don’t feel great, you know, and they’re able to address that, like being young and like noticing with without having as much restrictions on them because they don’t it’s good for them, but they don’t need it right now in our house we do. Um, but it’s cool for them to see.

Clint – Yeah, totally. So similar in our family. So I’ve got the three kids, so we’ve got Angelina, Ariel and Aidan. They’re 11, nine and seven respectively. And yeah, they know. They know what daddy can eat and what daddy can’t. And it’s it’s like they’re they’re on our side. They’ll, like, warn someone that daddy can’t have that because that’s got, you know, oil in it or something. And I don’t know, I guess, you know, our community who listen to or watch these episodes will appreciate that. But, you know, there’s got to be judgment, I think, outside of this community that says, oh, these kids need to this and need to that. But no, I’ll stand by this every day of the week. Our kids have an extremely healthy, nutritionally diverse from every angle, from essentially essential fatty acids through through protein, calcium. I mean, we’ve got this down. And so yeah, they’re going to grow up with, an education that’s different and a view that’s different but good for the world. You know, if our kids grow up and they’re mindful about this stuff, then who knows? You know, what they can do and to inspire and make change and things like we do strongly believe that it’s all positive. So I think it’s great for your kids.

Clint – What about husband. Where does he sit.

Chelsea – He’s great eating plants. He eats almost exactly what I eat every meal. Um, and he’s extremely supportive. Even in the beginning when it was kind of chaotic, you know, he was trapping my sweet potatoes and he was like trying to figure out how they don’t stick on the pan. Um, you know, things like that. He’s been extremely supportive and he eats fairly similar when he’s out at work. You know, he eats whatever, but he chooses the most healthy option that he can.

Clint – Awesome. Let’s talk about physical therapy. Let’s talk about what you were capable of prior. First of all, when you were told, look, it’s in everything. It’s in your spine. It’s in your I’ve got a list here. When you first join and you put this into your journal, it’s lower spine elbows, wrists, fingers, knees, ankles, feet, jaw. What were you capable of when it was all through all those different joints at that time? And then what did you do instead?

Chelsea – It was just like extreme, like waves of pain, like. And I never knew when I would be okay, you know, like, I’d wake up in the morning and not know if it was going to be okay on the field trip, if I was going to feel terrible and not be able to, like, do certain things. I just had no idea, like what to expect for the day and like, my kids didn’t either, which isn’t fair, you know, like I would be as happy as I could, but they knew if I didn’t like people know if you don’t feel well. Um, and yeah, it was really, really hard. I knew and looking forward to like, my kids are young and like all the things we want to do together as a family, and it’s so much unknown of what my life would be like in five years and 20 years. Um, like, am I gonna be able to go on that trip and take my kids, like, hiking? Am I going to be able to do these things? Like, I was like, I don’t know, like God knows he has a plan for me, but like, how? Like, what am I supposed to do? And like, we really felt strongly God led us to this program and clearly like he did, like we it is night and day, um, in my body from then, my inflammation, I could feel it go down within. It was like a week of eating in group A, like I could just tell, like my face was less swollen. Just everything just felt like more free.

Clint – And then what about when you started to feel better? What of the exercises did you begin with and how did you scale the exercises.

Chelsea – So I started doing the exercises that are all in your program. The hanging I tried to hang as much as I could, it would hurt my wrist. And then I was doing it wrong. And then I figured out how to do it. And then my kids were hanging with me. You know, we’d, like, see who could hang the longest. It was fun. The kids loved it. I don’t do it very much anymore. I should I don’t, um, and the different like, the wall raises and the knee things and the ankle things. I did that very, very well in the beginning. And then I once I felt strong enough, I started I do bar um, which has been my primary workout, which is, um, less stress on my joints and has been amazing. And a group setting for me is very helpful, um, and keeps me, you know, gives me more accountability. And so I do that at least I try to go 3 to 4 times a week, and I can do it like I’m strong enough to do it. No problem. Occasionally, like, my wrist will hurt and I’ll have to modify something. Or like I know how to modify because I know like what I’ve seen in your program, like how I should and shouldn’t do certain things, um, and things like that.

Clint – Outstanding. Fantastic. So key thing here doing substantial therapeutic level of physical activity 3 to 4 times a week. So when you’re at these bar classes does your heart rate go up a lot? Do you find yourself exerting yourself in a way that requires you to use your muscles and you have kind of a feeling of accomplishment afterwards of, wow, that was intense.

Chelsea – Absolutely. And I can tell a difference. So back when we didn’t know what was going on, my so I started wearing a watch because I just felt like my heart rate was like wild. They put me on different, um, like, heart monitors and did different tests, EKGs and stuff because I felt like I was having heart attacks like for four years ago. Um, and then so I started wearing a watch and I’d be just like, sitting here talking to you and look down, and it’s like 140, like I’m not working out, like what is happening. Um, but now, like, I’m working out and it’s like, normal, you know? So it is like, wild. Even my heart rate has been affected. Like, during my workout classes, all I pay attention because it used to, like, spike and, like, alert me, you know, like like. Are you okay? Um. And now it’s not even doing that.

Clint – Almost as though the heart rate was inflammation affected.

Chelsea – It seems like it, because it went away, like, almost entirely within a few months of the program.

Clint – Mhm. Okay.

Chelsea – Which I don’t know if that’s a normal thing. Probably not. But for me it seemed to help.

Clint – Yeah. It’s the first time I’ve heard it and I don’t hear many first these years but with what you’re saying, it definitely sounds more inflammation related than as a result of getting physically fit and stronger because it went down so quickly and you hadn’t onboarded workouts at a high level for 6 to 12 months, it was just within the first few months. So fascinating. Um, okay. Uh, what about, um, sort of nervous system tracking? Did you also using that same information you were getting from your from your data based watch tracking, heart rate variability, or you’re tracking anything else besides your beats per minute that you’re watching?

Chelsea – Not really. No, I was just checking, um, my heart rate would just get so high out of nowhere, and we didn’t know why. So. And then it stopped. I mean, it was the heart rate thing had been going on for a while, um, probably two years prior. And then it slowly started getting better as my body slowly started healing. My chest pain is almost 95% gone too.

Clint – That chest pain was that costochondritis, which is rib cage inflammation connecting to the.

Chelsea – That’s what that’s what we think.

Clint – Yep.

Chelsea – Because they did tests on everything and everything was perfect. No problems. They’re just like you’re stressed, so you’re fine. You’re just stressed. I was like, yes, but like something is not okay. It’s not just stress.

Clint – And what are you doing for work, or are you full time busy with the three one.

Chelsea – Full time mom?

Clint – And how’s getting up in the morning and being able to look after the kids compared to before.

Chelsea – I don’t have any stiffness at all. But before, that wasn’t my big problem either. It wasn’t the morning stiffness was not a significant problem for me.

Clint – It was more the fatigue and it was more the pain.

Chelsea – Fatigue, or driving just out of nowhere. I’m like, why can’t I like, barely moved my left foot. Or something like that. And I’ve not had a problem driving in many months. I used to be like, how am I going to go on a road trip? Like how even driving like an hour away to go to a museum or something would, like, scare me because I didn’t know if on the way home I was going to start hurting and have to pull over. Um, and that is not happen in a very long time.

Clint – Your rheumatologist said that not many people could do what you’ve done. What do you think is the hardest part of it?

Chelsea – I think starting. You know, like, once you like, you just have to commit. Like, once you start and like, you see, like, I felt the difference in, like, days. I could feel the difference. And then I’m like, why would I not do this? Because even if I have to eat sweet potatoes and buckwheat for the rest of my life, like, who cares? Like I will eat that every day for the rest of my life if, like, I could feel okay. Um, and then once you have that feeling and you know the difference, then it’s, like, easier to make that choice every day. And then it becomes easier. You can add in different foods you like, know how to make the sweet potatoes without them sticking to the pan as bad. Um, and things like that. And then your kids get you more used to it. Your family and, um, yeah, I’d say like starting and just making that commitment is hard. And you need people to support you, and that can help you. And don’t think you’re crazy for doing it. Which there’s always those people, you know, we always we have those people. We still do. Um, but then they see the difference. Like different family members are eating better because of it. Like, not even in my immediate family, like, parents and relatives are like, wow. Like that’s incredible.

Clint – Yeah. Fantastic. Um, what do you think are the areas that you still need to work upon that we can now have a quick troubleshooting session together upon whilst we’re, you know, here. Yeah. What areas is it, um, like, which joints are still bothering you and what works for those joints. And then we’ll, we’ll discuss and brainstorm some options for them.

Chelsea – My jaw is my biggest problem. Everything else is honestly pretty good. Um, I have a lot of dental challenges. Um, and I have for the last two years, and i do the routine at night, I do the, um, the massage, the closest, the Listerine, the act every night. And I even water pick her floss. Um, and just the dental. I don’t even know if it’s my job or more my dentist. They sent me to an endodontist who sent me to another endodontist. And now no one kind of knows what to do.

Clint – Alrighty, let’s unpack this a bit more. So you mention your jaw. So, are we talking about TMJ pain?

Chelsea – They. So I have pain like on both. Like here. Both sides. Originally we thought it was from. So they did a, uh, a root canal that didn’t work. And they pulled the tooth. And then they went to do a implant, and they had to do a sinus lift because the implant, I don’t know, they did the implant. My body refused it and rejected it. So they had to take out the implant. And then they did a bridge. They adjusted the bridge in December. So now they’re like, okay, is your pain actually coming from that or is it more like something else going on?

Clint – Okay. And by the way, for others wondering why I’m pushing this. There was a new study just came out in December 2025, reinforcing the major connection between the oral microbiome and its influence on autoimmune arthritis. And obviously, we’ve been down this channel for the past few years, very, very, a long way. And have a mouth care routine in the program. But if you’ve got known significant issues with teeth or in your case, the one tooth, this is absolutely one of the highest priorities to be trying to get right if you’ve got autoimmune arthritis. So I want to ask a little bit more about this. Because if there is some TMJ stuff I wanted to ask you, if you’ve been looking at the exercises that we have for TMJ inside the members area. So that’d be question number one. And number two is if you’ve got that problem with the tooth, was there ever any um, infection related or bacterial evidence in the area because that’s going to be really, really crucial information.

Chelsea – I have not done well with the exercises. I have looked at them. I do them sometimes. I have a red light panel and like sometimes I’ll do it in front of it, which I feel like should help, but I’m probably not as good as it. It don’t do it as often as I should for sure. Um, and infection? No, there’s been no type of infection or bacteria, and they’ve done a bunch of different CT 3D things to see if there’s any, like, I don’t know, like abscess things there. Nothing.

Clint – Yeah, yeah, that’s the word I was, I was searching for like abscess or pocket of bacteria.

Clint – Okay. All right. And so is that stable at the moment. Is the current plan with the dentist to just leave things as they are and then observe over the next couple of months.

Chelsea – The last and endodontist I spoke with, um, which was about a week and a half ago on my last appointment, he’s like, okay, I’m going to talk to this group of people and get back to you. And he got back to me and basically told me, I need to go see, like a regular doctor that’s like, not a dentist. And I was like, okay, that’s not helpful. I was like, what am I supposed to do? So I do need to call. I need to call back and follow up on a few different things. Um, basically they’re like, I don’t know what’s wrong. Like, you seem fine. The X-rays, the CTS, like, everything looks fine. We’re not sure what to do with you.

Clint – Okay. And when you do sort of exercises with the jaw where you might push one way against this side and then the other way, and then down and then fingers in the mouth, do you find that there is a pleasing pain that comes with the engagement of tendons when you do that? Or is it something you just haven’t tried for a while that might be worth revisiting?

Chelsea – I should revisit it.

Clint – Yeah.

Chelsea – It doesn’t need to be doing that more.

Clint – I would, because I had TMJ for a long period of time. I remember there was a period where, like every bite I was having pain, like just eating hurt. Um, and, and if part of the pain is coming from the TMJ pain, then the exercises will help and it might start to partially explain if everything looks okay in the mouth from a dentist viewpoint, why there’s still pain and be a pathway, hopefully out of it.

Clint – Um, maybe.

Chelsea – I’m definitely gonna try it. I gotta do something.

Clint – Yeah, yeah. And it’s so easy. So easy to do. Okay. Alrighty. So the TMJ slash tooth dental. Yeah I reckon if you can solve this you’ll get on top of that last 10% that’s left.

Chelsea – Yeah.

Clint – This is it.

Chelsea – And it’s also one of those things like yesterday I was fine. Today I’m not you know like it’s one of those things you don’t know until I wake up, like how it’s going and then it, you know, it radiates into a headache which just gets worse as the day progresses.

Clint – Mhm. Okay. Can I jump in and real quick and say pay attention when you wake up during the night in a half awake state just to change positions, check how the jaw feels and just move it left to right, open left, right and then associate that with how you’ve just been sleeping. And what you might find is that one side sleeping creates the problem versus the other may not. And then if you’re able to identify that it’s the way that you’re sleeping more so typically creates the pain on one side more than the other. Then it’s going to point the finger much more towards being mechanical and not teeth related. And then once you know that, then you have to strengthen the jaw in those lateral directions against pressure to be able to make it less vulnerable to the positions from the pillow.

Chelsea – Interesting.

Clint – This would be like literally a tonight thing that I would begin doing. Right. And often will often will wake up in the morning if we’ve had a good sleep and not know the positions we’ve been in. They’re just non-informative sleeps. So you write that one off and say, okay, how it feels today. I don’t know any inflammation about how it got there, but certainly if you wake up and you’ve got that awareness that, okay, I’m in this position and I haven’t changed yet, I want to change to get more comfortable. That’s when you apply that little process and see if we can see some trends. And over a couple of weeks you might find it’s the left more than the right. Fantastic. Probably more TMJ related. Much easier to fix.

Chelsea – I’ll definitely try.

Clint – Definitely worth trying. Yep. Okay. And what’s another joint that we can troubleshoot? Because I feel like that would be helpful.

Chelsea – Yeah, that’s my biggest thing. My other joints don’t really bother me. It’s really just my jaw.

Clint – Absolutely amazing.

Chelsea – And it is when I get my so so right now I have psoriasis rashes like on my armpits. And when I have those I also don’t have joint pain. So I haven’t had joint pain and I’ve had the rashes for like two months. So I don’t have joint pain. Um.

Clint – Absolutely amazing. So you’ve brought up a couple of interesting things here. One is that just like you said at the start, the psoriasis tends to not step in line the way that the joints do when you go through this process. Now, Doctor Thomas, who we’ve worked with for a very long time, her and I spoke, have spoken about this on a few occasions, which is she used to see this in her clinical practice before she became our doctor as well, when people would just go on a generic plant based diet like you experience when you went sort of generic, you’d see some improvements and but the psoriasis would not be as satisfying. It would be improved, but not to the same extent. Likewise when we have people go through our service, we can get extraordinary results with the RA or the psoriatic arthritis, whatever the the variation is. But often the improvements on also the psoriasis is not as euphoric, not as satisfying better, but not perfect. Right. So that’s bullet point number one. And I can’t explain that other than I’ve never researched to the same extent the psoriasis as what we have the joints, because I’ve never had the psoriasis, so I just haven’t put in two decades on that, like I’ve put two decades into the joints. Number two is that we see psoriatic arthritis as just two conditions. It’s rheumatoid arthritis with a skin condition as well, because it responds identically to everything that we know what to do with rheumatoid and so then we’re just dealing with basically, uh, a one plus one. So um, if in my introduction, I may have let slip rheumatoid instead of psoriatic arthritis, it all, it all just is the same underlying condition as far as we the world. So yeah, I just wanted to share those two things. It doesn’t help with your armpit psoriasis, but I felt like sharing it.

Chelsea – It’s good to share.

Clint – Do you think there’s anything that we’ve missed? Is there something that I should have asked you or something that you felt like we were going to talk about, and we haven’t?

Chelsea – I don’t think so.

Clint – Well done, Chelsea. You’ve crushed it. You’re a winner. You’ve done an amazing job against the most formidable of autoimmune diseases. I mean, I’m not, you know, not against things like multiple sclerosis. I think we’re on the same path. But, I mean, this has been this is monumentally difficult, like your rheumatologist said. And you’ve accomplished amazing things. So congratulations. Don’t fall off the bandwagon. Keep at it. And I hope the, uh, the TMJ stuff is going to help.

Chelsea – Thank you.