Jean shares his journey of overcoming the debilitating symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis. Moving from struggling with daily tasks to reclaiming his passion for sports and fatherhood, Jean’s story is a testament to resilience and determination.

We discuss in this interview:

• Jean’s initial struggles with severe pain and limited mobility, including challenges in walking, cooking, and even holding a pen
• The mental and emotional burden of arthritis, leading to feelings of depression
• The turning point when he decided to follow a plant-based diet and exercise regimen to combat his symptoms with Clint Paddison’s Rheumatoid Solutions Virtual Clinic
• His commitment to specific dietary routines, including juicing and eliminating oils, which played a crucial role in his recovery
• How Jean transitioned from hardly being able to ride a stationary bike to confidently cycling with his kids
• The progress made in strength and flexibility, regaining the ability to lift weights and perform exercises
• Overcoming skepticism and persistence in following the program
• The importance of a holistic approach to health

Clint – Today we’re going to talk to Jean. He’s in Massachusetts in the United States, but he’s originally from France. And he has a wonderful story to share with us about rheumatoid arthritis symptom reversal. So we’re going to talk about where he was at when he first started working with us and then where he is at today. He has a great story, he loves sharing this because on the group calls that we do with our coaching clients, he jumps on, he starts talking. Everyone wants to ask him all these questions because he’s done so well. So Jean, thanks for jumping on and having a chat with me today.

Jean – Thank you for having me today.

Clint – Alright, now we’re having a laugh here guys. You’re going to enjoy this interview because Jean and I, we can laugh about stuff now because a lot of stuff is behind him. A lot of the stuff he was going through. And you know, our personalities come back and we’re back to our old self. We’re back to that true, sort of, uh, true personality that exists when the pain goes away. So we might have a laugh here and so on, hope you enjoy this interview. So, Jean, tell us, like, give us before we go into the sort of dredge through the past. Just give us a before and after, like a moment in time in the past when you were struggling really bad compared to how you are today, getting out of bed or moving around or whatever it is.

Jean – So when I first met you and joined the program, the thing was like, my wife used to pick me up from the ground, you know, basically I couldn’t get up on my feet properly or I had to hold on things. I always needed to be close to a wall or furniture or anything to be able to get up from the ground. Walking was a challenge, waking up in the morning was a challenge. Going to bed obviously we know that this is so it kind of like goes away and fade away. I will say don’t go away, fade away at night because you get more mobility. So obviously you kind of feel better at night. But, uh, I was in a very bad shape. Uh, trying to just to feel better. I’m also a soccer, football, whatever people in the world are, coach. So I need that mobility and where I was very, very challenging for me. The hardest part I will say is mentally also like to be able to accept it because I was, uh, training like a professional athlete. I always put my pride to say I’m very fit and I always want to be fit because I train young players, and the look of the coach and the fitness of the coach is very important. So I was completely disoriented and lost. So mentally it was a hard challenge. Plus, because you hit the ground, you also mentally go into like a little depression, so that’s hard. Plus I have two children and then not be able to carry them in with my hands to be able to take my daughter from the crib in the morning, or just to take her to the bath or take her out of the bathtub after a bath at night or during the day, was, uh, something very, uh, challenging for me and very hard to accept. But then when you accept that you’re in this condition, you always hope that maybe somehow you’re going to get better or feel better.

Jean – So that’s how bad it was walking for me down the whole way to go and throw the trash that my wife spare me doing all these little trip. But I live with all this pain of not being able to enjoy being a father of, like, being around your kids, be able to run, be able to carry them. And also just to I like to cook, you know, so I’m the one cooking at home. So for me, cooking, even waking up in the morning with so much pain like that, to be able not to be able to make breakfast to the children. It was very hard not holding a pen, holding a knife or not able to cut or anything like everything was very painful. Like my hands were, um, swollen like huge balloons. Grabbing things was very challenging, even brushing my teeth like washing my face in the morning with soap with a glove. I’m sorry, I’m old school. So just to wash my face, brushing my teeth or hanging my towel over the door or over the dry stand was completely impossible, was really hard. Like the pain and sleeping at night was terrible. Pain in the neck, pain in the hip, pain in the shoulder, pain in the knee. Obviously, my knee was at the level of like, I don’t know, like, uh, like I had a huge balloon over my knee. My right ankle also was a completely changed shape. I couldn’t see the veins, couldn’t see bones, nothing in these two specific area. So that’s how bad it was.

Jean – Now, if I have to say into today. Right. You will say today, I mean, because of the work and I hope I mean, if you ask me if we talk about it later or follow exactly what you’ve been telling us all to do. Right? As I suggested, uh, method I’m able to now. I’m riding my bike, I can carry my children, lift them up, both of them. I can go on my knee, uh, have them on my back doing the horsey, like my daughter said, and be able to cook. Get so much more efficient in the kitchen moving stuff here around and didn’t want my wife to be helping me cleaning the dishes or even making food very much more like now of like, you know, I don’t need no help. And then handling things are getting so much more convenient. And then again, like you say, regain the personality, also the joy, the happiness. That’s also something that’s hard to get back. But I’m a very happy a happy guy and and I’ll make fun of a lot of people say, like, you should be doing comedy or be a comedian because you always have a very high sense of humor. But it’s French humor, so I don’t know, not everyone understands it, but, um, it’s like, yeah, you know, you feel better. So it’s true that now, unfortunately, sometimes you have like, and I have to accept that sometimes you have like days where you have a little bit of pain and you’re going back to that mood where you’re very, you know, very, uh, unapproachable, I would say. But then, you know, it’s just a phase. And, you know, I still have those days, unfortunately, that now, you know, like, just remind me, you know, and that’s actually a good way because it reminds me how bad I was and how good I will feel like as soon as I just change something across the day, you know? And by example, as soon as I feel bad, I just go and go downstairs, I tell my wife, I say I go for a ride and ride my bike around the block and I come back. I’m a different person. That’s it.

Clint – How’s the football been affected? When we first started, you were not demonstrating anything because it’s too painful. You couldn’t balance enough. How has your football coaching changed?

Jean – And now, as a soccer coach, I’m able to show skills. Before I used to, if I wanted to use my right foot because of my left leg, I used to hold my cell phone players or sometime on the fence to be able to have that balance and then demonstrate something with my foot. The passing also, uh, how to pass the ball or chain because my right ankle was so swollen that I couldn’t really pass the ball. And now one day after a couple of months, I made some change and my son came out and he’s like, is that you passing the ball to somebody? I’m like, yeah. He’s like, oh, why are you, is that you? Because you’re passing the ball so hard. I said, well, as a matter of fact, I feel like I can do it. So, uh, I found myself doing and showing a little bit more foot skills with kids, especially with the left leg. Um, the right leg ball is okay, but the left leg now I have, like, full balance on my left leg completely, you know, and then I, um, so I’m able to control the ball, make a pass over again. I still look, you know, I’m not. I wouldn’t say that. I’m 100% back, you know, like. But you still got improvement. So because of that, now I mean, just like I’m able to operate like a soccer session in a better way than I used to. Like before, I was completely staying by the fence over there, and I was just talking. Not be able to process the past or anything, nothing. And then even more, just to put my shoes on in the morning was like, uh, super, super hard challenge, like, not able to fit the foot into the shoe without laces and super wide shoe, like it was completely impossible. So yeah, I mean, obviously my work also coached tennis too, and now I’m able to hold the racquet, make some shots, uh, forehand, backhand. Holding the hopper of balls, which something I was not able to do. I mean, just drinking my bottle of water was the challenge just to hold the bottle like that was a challenge, you know? And then and then the fatigue too also like that was causing after 2 or 3 hours of doing session with players, I was completely tired, exhausted. And now suddenly, like, I still keep that routine of like, I don’t do more than three hours a day, four hours. And I leave my house saying like, oh, oh, it’s going to be long, it’s going to be long. And now when I’m on the field, I’m going back to actually feel good that I could have put like another hour today, you know. And that’s a good feeling. Also, diet wise, like I’m not really so much focused and worried about my food now, I eat well in the morning, or I just use this method of juice and I can last long as long as I bring water with me and maybe some little snack. I take my little pills in the morning and boom, I’m ready to go. So every time now I’m like, well, I can do. And I finally asked my son yesterday because it was always coming with me to train me and help me as my assistant on the field. Um, and he was just training with them and not really with me. And today, since he’s back from vacation and for those three weeks, I worked out hard. I just told him, said, tomorrow we’re going to the field together. He’s like, are you going to train me? I’m like, yeah, I’m going to train you. So the motivation comes back because, you know, you can do way much more than you than you were able to. And that’s a total change. Total change.

Clint – Fantastic. And we’ll get into all of the specifics of what you did in a minute. Obviously, people are going to be wanting as much detail as possible. Just to clarify, how is the knee now in terms of looking at it? The ankle you mentioned, both of those were really swollen so that you couldn’t see any definition in those areas. How are they now to touch in terms of heat, in terms of pain, and how do they look?

Jean – So the knee in the morning now coming off the bed usually takes time. It was always like because obviously the legs is like still the whole night. So it wasn’t really big, but it was still like big. So the knee now had the feeling in the morning touch my bone. I see the holes inside completely like around the curve by the muscles joining the knee by the ligaments over there. So I’m able to see that when I massage it, you know, in the morning. I mean I feel just feel it like I feel bony, like I feel like how my knees got like I was unable to do that around my knee. I had, like, pockets of, uh, fluids. I don’t feel them anymore. Sometimes I touch my knee at the end of the day where my knee was sometimes boiling hot here. Last time I touched my knee, I’m like, well, one second. This one is cold. It’s actually the one that I was actually big and I touched. The other one is like, it’s cold too, so both of them have cold. Like they’re not longer hot. My ankle shrinked okay so I also proceeded to a bunch of additional stretching that you told me to do. I’m working on that, I feel better. It’s just like I still have a little bit of fear, but my ankle just changed. Also like of course the whole time because I wasn’t able to see the start of the bone from the toes, which now I see it. So it’s just like the little surrounding the ankle, but in the morning looks very good and I can see even the veins stepping out from my foot and it stays along the day. And it’s just like now there’s still a little portion, but during the day I’m walking very, very fine. Like, uh, I cut put myself, uh, telling my wife the other day, uh, I walk and she’s like, you sure you don’t want to take the car? I say, yeah, I walk, I come, I walk, I come. So yeah, just and then that was so in terms of the walk, if I have to say, because of the improvement now before I used to walk with my head down, looking down constantly because of every single differences of, um, grounding was terrifying to me and also so painful because my feet had a hard time to adapt and now I just walk on grass or like fancy ground. And I still have that fear in the beginning. But as soon as I walk in, boom, I’m that’s it. I’m going. So I my body is able to now to adjust and adapt to the different, uh, you know, grounding. So you know, so that’s, that’s, that’s massive. Like I can walk in the street like that now and no longer like that, you know. So yeah. My knee feels so much better, I can bend it completely, all the way down to my heel, to all the way to my back. And then if I have to mention a little precision about that, like, I remember seeing my, uh, my doctor, my rheumatologist who had told me that my knee will have, like, some, uh, bad, uh, reaction over time, and I will not be able to bend it.

Jean – And I mean, now this is where I am. Same thing for my hands. I was I had hands like that. Couldn’t, uh, close my hands, couldn’t grab anything. Was grabbing like things, like, with fingers, and now if I have to demonstrate, I mean, I show it to you, like, right there. I just I’m ready to punch again. Like, I used to do a lot of exercise, a lot of boxing, a different sport. And I’m able to do not have pain on the wrist and do not have pain on the joint. I’m able to grab things. Last time I find myself cleaning the whole gym we have in the building, there were like, weights of like 45 lbs on the ground, and I was lifting them up like this and carrying them on the stand just to organize the room. And I was like, okay, no pain. So that’s the tremendous, tremendous, change in all this time.

Clint – Love it. I love the detail that you go into, which is why people gravitate to you on the calls. They want to ask you more details and clarify a few things. And it’s inspirational when you hear your story because you did all of this without medication.

Jean – Zero. I mean, the only thing I was given was a hydroxychloroquine. That I still take like 200 or 100, but they were I was prescribed 400, which is a lot, which I never took. The only reason why I’m taking this, I’m also, like, a little freaked out because I have children. And then to have, like, since I know I have, like, immune system probably like, have changed over the years. This helps for the rheumatology aspect, I will say, but also it helps for the viral part, which I don’t. I’m sure not to catch anything with that because it’s actually, I don’t know what whoever wants to believe me, but I have a friend who lived in Africa for years and they’ve been taking this medication, and that’s like to avoid to get like the yellow fever, malaria or all this like a different severe flu or disease that you can catch over there in exotic country. So that’s the only reason why I stay with that. But, you know, I’ve reduced this to 100mg now, and I feel like if I don’t take it, it doesn’t really, really, really affect me at all. Like, sometimes I skip it for like two days. I don’t see like a big difference. Just for safety reason now. Like I don’t want to catch a flu. I don’t think that has really much of an impact or maybe I don’t know, on my rheumatology, but I’m about to cut this off. And in terms of medication, I have received all the medication that the rheumatologist has prescribed me and never opened the box. I mean, actually opened the box, I felt the pills, I looked at them, and I never took any. All these things, Methotrexate and prednisone, like all these folic acid, all these things that they suggest you to take, which I know it could have caused me a side effect. I’m also young, so they told me you have to take it right now in order for you not to have some bad handing when you’re going to be old. And I was very, always very scared because I know about sport. I know that you those are not names that you, uh. It’s not like an aspirin. You know, I rather take 2 or 3 aspirin a day than just taking all these things once a day. So I was always very scared and I said, that will be the last of my, uh, of my decision. So I would like to explore all the different routes.

Jean – And I found you, Clint and your method. My wife actually helped me and contacted you. And you find that little method that was fine and interesting. And then you say, at least give it a try and see how they feel. And then, uh, so no, no medications from day one. When I hear people, they actually take medication from what the little meeting that I heard, like every time in those meetings, I was coming out and telling my wife, oh my God, there are people in worse shape than me and they have those medications. And I’m like, well, I’m not as bad as I thought I was, but still like, you know, to not be able to get up from the chair after the call, you know, like struggling, especially at the beginning of the treatment. I mean, the method is like and then also knowing that I was not taking medication. I also felt the pain very much more, maybe than other people. They actually felt a little, you know, like easy, uh, article like, um, uh, I don’t know, like something softer, you know, like, yeah, for me, it was like no medication from day one. So, uh, in terms of pain, I know how it is.

Clint – What’s your rheumatologist saying now?

Jean – I haven’t seen her.

Clint – Okay. That’ll be a fun visit.

Jean – I spoke to a friend of mine, a doctor. He’s like, what is she saying? I’m like I don’t know, I have to set up a meeting last time. The meeting was in January, beginning of this year. So I had told her that I was following a diet and a special program. Yeah, but you still need to take those medication. I think that has a long term, you know, like, you can’t really reverse that. That’s like. Well, uh, right now I’m in the middle of the process, so I will still take those hydroxychloroquine and then nothing else. Okay. So just let me know, keep me informed. I mean I don’t want to be so cocky also like, you know, you never know in life also I mean, you are the perfect proof of what we are when we hear your story that you’ve been living several years like that. And you obviously I’m not saying you heal, but I will say you, it’s a process, it’s like it’s your life, it’s our life. We live with that routine now is like, I don’t know the hospital will probably tell you, oh, you completely healed, you know, remission or all these things, like. But I will be curious to when I see her and she’s going to ask me the same test, like, oh, pull your legs back and then let me see if you can touch the heel with your butt, you know, and or or if you can close on my finger. She was putting two fingers I was not able to do that. So now if she’s going to put one, I’m really going to crush it, you know? So that will be interesting, also moving my wrist and, you know, like uh, and holding stuff and then going squatting and things like that. So I mean, she will be, I guess, impressed. But I will tell you this when I see her, which I haven’t booked anything yet.

Clint – Yeah. That’s the thing, when we don’t feel the need to see a sort of a specialist medical doctor, then none of us really have much desire to go and set up an appointment just to be told, wow, you’re doing amazing. The feeling of, oh, it’s medical, you have to pay for it, you have to set aside the time. And then also sometimes you get a little bit of the sort of underwhelming response than what you would have expected anyway. Sometimes the rheumatologist says things like, well, you may have been misdiagnosed. It might have been actually reactive arthritis or wow, that tiny little bit of hydroxychloroquine has an amazing effect on you. Jean, I can’t believe it.

Jean – Which I never took the 400 she gave me.

Clint – So, there’s a lot of unknowns with regards to what she might say. But you know, like, what you’ve achieved, and it’s phenomenal. Let’s talk about some of the key pillars that have been put in place in your life that were different than what you were doing prior, that have enabled you to get these really incredible results. So talk about what you did specifically.

Jean – What I did, follow the diet reintroduction of food, etc. The first weeks were awful for me. I never really had a bad diet, you know, so I was always eating very carefully not eating junk food here and there sometimes, you know, those hamburger without mentioning any brand, but, uh, you know, uh, little hamburgers, the French fries here and there, you know, sometimes with the kids sharing things like that, it was not every day. Plus I had like an athlete life, you know? So the first week following your program was terrible. Plus I just introduced this right in the middle of my birthday so I couldn’t really have, like, a little cupcake or nothing. It was hard at the time to find a vegan cake or something like that, which always contained like some, um, some bad stuff that I’m going to mention about. Like what? I’m paying attention now not to eat. So I just followed the program about the food and then the juice in the morning, like the cucumber and celery thing. Just go on a plant-based diet all these time, sacrificing everything around was hard. No oil too. Also the concept of no oil was hard. So I mean, like, had the omega three oil that you recommend you drink some olive oil? No cooked to go with like a, I mean like a obviously good quality olive oil. You told me that you can, you can, you know, a little bit, you know, but avoid all this. So it was hard and then I find myself also like eating a new way, you know, like adding the oat meals in my diet, the lentils, all those little strong, uh, products that you recommend was something new to me. For me, oatmeal was not something, uh, very nutritious, and now I go home sometimes, I’m craving for my oatmeal with fruits, you know? So that was the diet that I follow strictly. It’s hard. I have to say, it’s really hard. I’m French, I like my bread, and I like my butter, you know? Not an excessive amount, but sometimes, um, and then not able to pick some snacks sometime, like a little slice of bread or 2 or 3 chips, you know, like, I mean, I’m talking about snack food, but the bad food, junk food. And then, um, that’s for the diet. So I follow very precisely what you put us through. Because it’s like at first it’s really hard then.

Jean – Also the stretching was really hard in the beginning. I’m not going to lie that because you were in so much pain. Try to pull legs and things like, and fingers, and wrist. And then I saw all your curriculum about the different stretching routine that you’re suggesting, that was really hard, but then the activity is immediately like going on the stationary bike, I start with this. I couldn’t really do, like, two circle without having pain, pain in my left hip, pain in my left knee, pain in my right ankle pain in everything. I was doing like you suggested to do ten minutes, so the first time I did ten minutes I was in horrible pain. And then every day after ten minutes, I was like, you know what? I’m going to force myself to stay 20 minutes on it, and I have. I even told you on one of the meeting, I said, I’m not doing ten, I’m doing 20 because I really want to get some results. And of course I like to be on the bike but it was so hard also just to be able to ride, I mean, to ride, to pedal. Right. And with so much pain, I couldn’t do more than a mile. Like nothing, nothing in 20 minutes, like I couldn’t do more than a mile. And then starting with the pull up, I mean, the stretching, like with the shoulder, um, the back, also the upper back, um, and then and, and that’s it. Like after I’ve always been in a gym. So I have the knowledge of like as a coach to, to I have, I know a couple of movements that I was heading to. I was also doing extra work on stretching and pulling weight with my left knee after the bike, trying to stretch. You know, that’s never been fun. Um, and then yeah, after I will say after two, three months feeling better on the bike, still like pulling here and there. And then, I mean, if I have to compare it to, uh, to what I’m doing now, like, uh, now I’m 20 minutes. I push myself to do like five miles in 20 minutes and I’m like, resistance number five and I can do 20 minutes. Resistance number five like this. Which before I was resistance number one, it was hurting so bad even I had like the, you know, like the, the twerk or the of the, of the bike was even carrying me too fast because, you know, sometimes like on the and then the pull up to like I couldn’t really I couldn’t grab the bar or nothing. So it was, it was, it was, it was uh, it was very, very, very, very hard and challenging for me.

Jean – And today I am just able to do some pull ups, which I was never able to do ever in my life. I can’t pull myself from the ground like this without my feet touching the ground. And then I just followed the process exactly by the letter. Like I was not really commenting or anything about like the gym because this is something I feel comfortable with, but it was like the hard part was actually the hardest part for me was to disconnect from the sofa to go to the gym, and if it’s a short path, I live in the building. Luckily we have like a gym inside the building, so it’s nice. But then luckily just to go from the sofa or from the house to the gym, that was the hardest for me, not to meet anybody, I like to talk and. But as soon as I was in the gym, I knew I was there for like an hour. And I also changed my diet because I knew at some point I was going before my oatmeal and then after I just changed my diet. Also, putting the oatmeal just to have like enough strength because I felt like my body needed some more to be able to stay that hour in the gym and then do extra exercise. And then I need my oatmeal with fruits and then a little bit more consistency in my stomach. And that’s it. Then today, like I remember you say like stationary bike, not able to bike. And now, like, every single time I’m on my bike, I’m going to work with my bike now. I’m carrying my soccer balls on the back like this, I grab right away and I put on my back and up I jump on my bike. I still get a little fear, you know it’s coming away. But last time I was able to pedal to ride my bike without the hands, something that I could never really imagine I was able to do. So yeah, I mean, like, I’m always on my bike, my stationary bike change into my, uh, my regular bike now, you know, so that’s that. I mean, if the answer, the question you asked me like, yeah, I follow the process by the letter. And then I start finding change. I would say after three months I start feeling something different and then I really, after the fifth month, is like when something was happening. And this the reason why I also decided to continue with you for another six months. Because I knew if after five is only changing something now, then and you do more, you know. So I’m like, okay, let’s just finish because I would like to make sure I’m on the right path until the end, you know, and maybe I will sign for another six months, I don’t know, talk about it.

Clint – I remember when you first started doing the stationary bike. It doesn’t feel that long ago; it’s fresh in my mind. For those people listening who only watch Jean now talking about how we use today and so forth. I can assure you that there was a lot of doubt, a lot of skepticism, a lot of frustration, a lot of uncertainty, and a lot of trust in the process because you’re in a really bad way, and you and your wife had to ponder and think carefully about, should we go down this path? Should we invest in our health in this capacity? And, um, this was not a case of everything just fell into place from day one. You had to work at it, work at it, work at it. You had to come to terms with adjusting not just to some significant workouts, but also to a way of eating that was very foreign to you. And so it has been a very big shift in the way that you were going about things. So people ought to know that the results came through a tremendous amount of persistence and effort.

Jean – I have compliments sometimes from people like they see me, people from the building, they’re stopping me now in the street or in the building asking me what happened to you three months ago? You couldn’t walk, and now you’re riding your bike and you’re playing with your children. What happened to you? And then the guy last time is like you’re a source of motivation or inspiration, that’s what he told me. I never wanted to give up, you know, like, it was hard. Like, I mean, trust me to be honest with you today. And if I have to say this to people, you’re like, what have I got myself into? You know, if this thing is really going to work, what if it’s not going to change anything, you know? So it’s hard in the beginning, like you say, like a lot of frustration, like not knowing where you’re going, you know, when you’re investing that money, when you don’t know what’s going to be the outcome, you know, and then. And then here we are today. You’re like, wow, you know, that’s a good thing. Not I mean, I always praise you or your program like now to other people and whenever I explain my story or tell my story and they’re like, what? I even spoke to a friend of my doctor. Like what? Plant based diet and exercise. I’m like, that’s so basically what you’re supposed to do that doesn’t look so complicated. I don’t mention the additional food supplement that we take and you suggest and you recommend also. But no, I mean, like, those are natural things. It’s not like you’re prescribing drugs or like those doctors. So it’s just like, yeah, it’s just diet and exercise, you know, and people like, I’m stunned, like it’s unbelievable. But yeah, like you say the frustration is definitely something that getting to you and you don’t know if you’re gonna see the outside of the tunnel, you know, like you don’t you think there is no light? You’re going in there. You saw you saw desperate at some point and I was and you say, like my wife was completely lost in to seeing her husband like that, completely falling apart. So. Yeah. No, I mean, thank you. And I can say, uh, today I have the result. And I always remember what you always told me. Like, I’m trying to gain 1% a day. I was trying I’m not lying to you. I was trying to get 2% a day, but I couldn’t. I couldn’t because I was getting one 2% one day. And then to lose another percent one day, you know, for the following day because it was like, almost like you get 2%, we give you 2%, but we’re going to take it back because you’re only supposed to take 1% a day. And then I mean, like, no, I mean, and also, I mean, I forgot to mention that, but also the sleeping, you know, the neck pain, the shoulder, the hip was awful, like, not even able to put my head in a certain way. And now everything is gone. I sleep perfectly. I fall asleep on my back where I was falling asleep, you know, and like a baby, you know. And I’m like. I’m like, wow, this is such a tremendous change because sleep is so important. To be able to sleep or sleep with pain has a major impact on you and your health. Your mentality, your mood.

Clint – Okay. One of the last questions I’ll throw at you here. What were you doing all of this for? Like what was your big reason to wanting to put in all of this effort? And I don’t think I’ve ever asked you this, but, was it because you felt that your career was threatened, or was it because you felt that if someone else can do it, I can do it too? But what was it specifically, or what were some of the reasons that you thought, I’m going to keep doing this no matter what, until I get the result that you now have?

Jean – Nothing about my career, to be honest with you. My career has nothing to do with that. I found out that I have a because I watch Walt Disney movie, uh, beautiful movie that is called soul. And then, um, it’s about finding the purpose in life. And my purpose for me is to be a father. And I always fought all my life to be perfectly in shape. The day where I was going to have maybe some offsprings. And then, uh. Yeah, Darth Vader says that, and then, uh, and then I was just like, okay. And my son is active, my daughter is active, so the real reason is behind it maybe you don’t know since we never spoke about it, is really to be able to be an active father. You know, all this frustration, not be able to play with them and do things. Today I was like on the monkey, uh, thing, right with them and try to I wanted to go with my daughter up there, you know, because I saw her going. And then my son’s like, Papa, are you coming? And I’m like, I could maybe in the morning. You don’t have to see me first. Let me train first. But the purpose was to be able to show them that I was able to fight until the end. And to be honest with you, you’re going dark, you’re going into all these little, very dark thoughts. The only thing that kept me fighting so much was my children. And then I was during those three weeks, my son was away, my with my grandparents at their grandparents’ house. I was able to go on the treadmill and start jogging again. Funny, right? I hold myself, but I can lift up my feet from the ground, and I recorded it, I showed this to my son, and I saw him like a tear coming out of his ear. He’s like, yeah. I mean, I’m getting a little emotional now, but it’s just, uh, I know he wants that. He wants he wants Papa to be on the field with him, and then he’s just, uh. He was just happy. He’s like, that’s good, it’s good, keep doing it, keep doing it. So coming from him, I’m like, yeah, I mean, I have to kick his butt at some point. So I’m going to have to. That’s my only reason, and my daughter also starting to be active a little bit more with sports. So hopefully so I’ll be able to just do that for them. It’s like the only reason you know. But also, my goal was also to be able to carry them. So I have the picture and I always wanted to show you that I have them on my back. I’m on my knee with something I could never do, I get up like this and are like Godzilla, right? And then I’m also able to take them, which sometimes now my daughter, she feels my arms, and because obviously my body changed shape of doing all these extra exercise and they’re like, oh Papa, you strong, can you pick me up from the ground? And again and again and again. And yesterday I was able to carry my son like this with both arms and even like with my hands like that, like you hold the baby. So that’s the only reason why I’m doing this.

Clint – It’s interesting how powerful it is when we’re doing something for people that we love, especially little innocent kids. You know what I mean? It, um, we want to have them uphold the image of us as their parents that we’re there for them, we’re solid, we’re strong, we can take care of them. They need that. And that’s a very powerful motivator. So congratulations. Amazing. Love it. You know, we’ve said this many times before, but well done, it is inspirational. And, uh, keep up the amazing work and thanks for sharing to a wider group, rather than just sharing on our regular coaching calls that we run. And so I want to thank you for putting in all that hard work. And now being the inspirational, one of the inspirational people in our community. So thanks, Jean.

Jean – No thank you to you. I mean, job is not over. I don’t think I don’t consider this over. You’re going to see my face again, and then I’m happy to not to follow, um, to follow more of your of your program and even more and then even to be able to help these people. Like I find that last time I was just talking to people and to be able to help these people really helped me, because I wish I would have had someone talking to me, you know, like beside you, you know, and someone and we had like a couple of people I remember in the group that able sometimes to mention things. But it’s true, like everyone lives in so much pain and suffering and depression, and we all suffer from that, you know. And. Yeah. And then having just you telling us that you’re going to feel better and think like, this sounds like a perfect dream, you know, and even now, just to be able to be part of this podcast with you and, and sometimes those groups and having people asking me questions, I’m like, wow, I’m very happy to, you know, in life to say to to to share the positive around you. And I think that just helped people so much because I wish I would have had that a little bit more, you know, like just those meetings are hard because you’re suffering and you hear all these stories, you know? But I mean, I’m just doing it for you, for all these people and wherever that can help I’m happy to, to share my inspirational story, but also thank to you for putting me on the right path. And, I mean, my wife and I on the right path because it was a very difficult path.

Jean – Well, thank you, uh, Clint, for, for your I say joy, you know, always like having I mean, you sounded real, you know, first I first met you, you sounded unreal. I’m like, is this guy really legit or is he really serious or something? And then over the years we start to know you and we see result and we get to like you. So it’s my time also to compliment you, if you don’t mind because you’re such an inspirational person to us. And then, um. Beside that, we born the same day and but, uh, but also, uh, no, thank you very much for everything that you brought me and I know you, you, you brought all these people, I’m sure. And you helped thousands and thousands of people and but I can only speak for myself today. So you’re part of that. I wish I could have you next to me to hold you in my arms or to give you a proper hug, because you are the reason also how I feel better and why you know why now for my kids only. So thank you very much.

Clint – Thank you Jean. That’s very touching and I appreciate that very much. And of course, you’re more than welcome. What we started doing this for many, many years ago, my wife and I. So, uh, one day we will meet in person, and, uh, we’ll have that hug, and then we can kick a football around. Okay?

Jean – Right.

Clint – Amazing.

Clint – Thank you so much. And I’ll see you soon.

Jean – Thank you.

Clint – Okay.