We discuss in this interview:
- Inta’s diagnosis with RA in 2016, and her experience with increasing dosages of methotrexate
- The consequences of the passing of her husband on both her physical and mental health
- The first improvements thanks to the Paddison Program
- How Inta’s faith helped her greatly in terms of emotional healing
- How she has been able to eventually get off drugs
- Bible-related resources on YouTube
- The power of affirmations
- Scriptures for healing and recovery
Clint – Don’t we love success stories? Don’t we love to hear people tell us how they improved from rheumatoid arthritis, and how they got their life back? Especially when they are now experiencing the joy of reclaimed movement in their fingers and other parts of the body. We’re going to do that again on this episode. This episode is with a guest, her name is Inta. She’s based in Melbourne, Australia, which is a southern major city in Australia. She has a phenomenal story to share with us, not just about dietary changes but her reconnection with God. So we’re going to be talking about Christianity today. We’re going to be talking about the community experience that she got with that, the changes to the way she thinks, the incantations, and the way that she believes that her health has been restored. That’s what we’re in for today. If that doesn’t sit well with you, because you’re in a different culture or a different part of the world, that’s okay. But that’s what we’re going to be talking about today and I can’t wait. So Inta, welcome and give us your before and after before we dive deep.
Inta – Hi, Clint. Hi, everyone. My name is Inta and I’ve got a good news story for you. It all started not so well in 2016. Every bone in my body, in my hands and wrists, felt as if it was broken. It was a terrible situation. But fast forward to today, the rheumatoid arthritis that was diagnosed back then and that I was taking methotrexate for 5 whole years is all a thing of the past now. I’m so grateful, I’m so happy, and I’m so absolutely overjoyed that I can be talking to you today. While also showing you my hands, and fingers and rejoicing with you, and it can be done. So please remember that everyone.
Clint – Wonderful. What a beautiful way to get started and isn’t lovely to move those fingers like that? It’s such a joy when we’re able to realize that freedom again in the body. We’ve got a lot of anticipation here around what you went through. You mentioned methotrexate and I didn’t say that in the introduction. But you’ve come off methotrexate after 5 years of usage. Let’s rewind here. You also did the Paddison Program and you’ve changed your diet, so we’ve got that to talk about. But let’s just have you guide us through the diagnosis, tell us how it came about, the visit with the rheumatologist, and your treatment suggestions. Can you walk us through?
Inta – It all happened, as I said mentioned before, in 2016. It was the year that my husband, my late husband, was very seriously ill and he was approaching the end of his life. It was just a terrible thing and he had an autoimmune disease. That year in October around my birthday, I went to the rheumatologist and I was sent there by my GP, my doctor, and I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. Of course, he said that the only thing that I could do was to go on the methotrexate. Now having listened to Clint over the years, I realized that methotrexate is probably the best of a bad bunch of medications. With that, I did go on the methotrexate and the doctor over the years the rheumatologist was trying to get me to go on these other drugs as well. Like I was making a cocktail because he wanted to kind of cut it off at the pass if you like, but I refused. I just stood my ground and I said, no and I want to just take the methotrexate. Well, then he upped the dosage, didn’t he? He went up to about 20 milligrams and I felt so sick taking the 20 milligrams. I just went back to him and I said, No, I’m not taking the 20 milligrams. And then he put me back to 15 and then I took myself back to ten and I kept on the ten for the whole of the time. Apart from those two, two or three times that he tried to get me to increase the dose. I felt too sick, nauseous, and ill, and it was affecting my emotional state as well. It was causing depression and it was causing great unhappiness. Also, I experienced skin troubles and it was causing rashes all over my body. I knew that 20 mg was wrong, 15 mg was wrong, and 10 was just manageable.
Clint – Given the rheumatologist was aiming to increase the dosage and that’s an indication that symptoms were not quite totally under control. So I want to get an idea, where did you hurt or where were you seeing symptoms? How bad was it? Can you talk about maybe one of the worst mornings or worst days that you had?
Inta – Well, the symptoms were in the hands and the wrists. I also had to walk around with a splint on my hands because I just couldn’t move my hands. They were swollen, throbbing, and it felt like it was progressing and getting worse. Clint, I was frightened and I was scared. Fear had gripped my soul and not only the fear of losing my husband, but the fear of what was going to happen to me. Because I had read up about this illness and I knew that it can spread. Also, I know your story as well and I know your story extremely well. I’ve researched and I’ve listened to all that you’ve said about your journey. So yeah. All that was playing out in my mind and my emotions, and they were dark days.
Clint – Okay. We’ll come back to you in a second, but let’s just get closure. Your husband did pass and that would have been tremendously catastrophic for you emotionally and all of the associated. I want to say sort of consequences of that with just everything. Right. How did that affect your health both mentally and physically?
Inta – Yes, it was amazing. A lot of the time, just after his passing, it passed in like a bit of a fog. However, I was blessed that I had support from friends. At that stage, I first heard the words from a song and the chorus of the song is May God’s love be with you always. Very early in the piece, I reached out to God because nothing else seem to be able to help. I reached out to God, almost blind in grief and in sorrow. I wasn’t all happy chappy at that stage and it was a very challenging place. Also, it was just a very tentative step on my part. But I did reach out my hand to God. With my poor hands, I lifted them both up the very painful hands and I lifted them above my head towards God. I just imagined that God was reaching down just hearing my prayers, hearing my cries for help, just hearing my cries of grief, and it’s an indescribable thing. However, I hope I’m doing it justice.
Clint – Oh, most definitely. Have you always had an association with a church, or have you been familiar with the Bible or is it something that appeared right for the first time in your life at this time?
Inta – No, this was not the first time. I’ve been a Christian since 1963 when I was 12 years old, and I went forward at a rally. It was a late and forward rally here in Melbourne. From then on, it’s been a steady progression of just living out your faith and growing in the faith and everything. With my husband’s passing, it tested the whole of the meaning of life and the mystery of it all. It’s the mystery of life and death. I just didn’t get it, I couldn’t work it out, and I couldn’t get my head around it. This has been the biggest and most challenging test of my whole life.
Clint – Yeah. I mean, just to put it into a little nutshell here. You’ve lost your life partner to who you committed your life journey. Also, who you love and adore, and then you’re left on your own. At the same time, you’ve been diagnosed with a disease that one of my doctors said, of all the diseases I would not want to get, rheumatoid arthritis would be at the top of my list. You’ve gotten that at the same time and then you’re dealing with this double blow. Then, you’ve reconnected in a much more comprehensive way with God. We’ll talk also about other lifestyle changes that you’ve made and then we’re going to hear about how this helped you.
Inta – Oh, everything has helped. Every step of the way has helped, Clint. It’s been such a gradual, gentle, slow, and steady progression. It’s like climbing up the stairs in slow motion. Well, sometimes you go back a step or two, but then you keep climbing again and everything follows on from the previous. It’s all in order, do you know what I’m saying? This is not haphazard, grabbing at this and plucking at that and hoping to goodness this will work. No, our steps are ordered and that is the mystery and the wonder of it all.
Clint – When did you first start to notice some improvements?
Inta – Well, the improvements. I noticed first when Peter died in 2016, about two years later. AIn the meantime, I had been following the Paddison program. I’d been doing acupuncture and meditation and all of those things. But then a Christian friend suggested that I go to a healing service at a local church. I was a little bit skeptical, to tell you the truth. I’d never been to something like this before. It just seemed a little bit strange to me, and I was humming and hearing about the whole thing. But she kept asking, gently asking, have you been yet? She kept saying, have you been yet? Then she said, my best friend goes there and she plays. I ended up going and that was a very pivotal point in the whole proceedings because I ended up going six times to six of those beautiful sessions. With each session of prayer, contemplation, beautiful music, and it was just wonderful. I gained a lot of healing from that and my belief just opened up like a flower. I was crushed, my depression lifted, and the fear started to lift as well. It is because this is not just our little bit of sadness. This is crippling fear and it started to lift. The fear, worry, and sadness were the first to go before I felt anything physically in my hand.
Clint – So that is profound.
Inta – Emotional healing had to happen first, Clint. Also, audience please understand that often behind a serious illness like this, behind fear, there are underlying issues and psychological and emotional issues. The Lord targets those first because he knows that has to be healed first and things have to happen in a certain order.
Clint – You’ve made me excited to sort of mention some things here. First of all, the onset of your condition, and it’s like a camel’s and the straw sort of situation, right? You don’t just one day eat one food and that triggers rheumatoid arthritis. Leading into the eventual passing of your husband, there were several years likely of time where there was creating a sense of concern, worry, fear, and that was building before the actual date. Then, the onset followed likely as a result of some lifestyle things and some past things. However, a real trigger was the fear and worry about the possible loss of your husband. Then when it came time for the spiritual healing sessions or the prayer sessions that you’ve got, as you said, your own belief about your future changed. Also, you’ve got this tremendous community support which is all rallying behind you and saying, you can do this, we are here for you. Then and this is equally important as those to the power of intention and prayer, putting that collective picture and prayer to God and to the universe to say this is the outcome we want.
Inta – Absolutely.
Clint – Rheumatologist Nisha Manek talks about it from the spiritual and also from a God point of view. She talks about this is clinically like in science and physical experiments proven to change the outcome of physical matter. So whether or not there are some people on the fence about religion or spirituality in terms of intention, human intention, in the concept of energy and materialization of matter, Follow the work of Dr. Tiller and Dr. Nisha Manek because this stuff’s real. What a profound intervention you’ve had there. Is it six sessions you did?
Inta – Yes, but then COVID came and on top of everything COVID hit. I don’t know about you over there in the States, but here in Aussie land, the lockdowns were savage. They were they went on for months. Everything closed down, the church closed down, my choir chanting closed down, and my pool that I go to every day, that all everything closed down. I was at home on my own, I’ve got the telephone, and I’m allowed to go out for a walk for about an hour a day or so. What did I do? I turn to the internet like I did when I found the Paddison Program. I turned to the internet, and this was a renewed turning to the internet. What should I find there? But on YouTube, all of these wonderful sermons, Bible teaching, and reflections on the scriptures can be found. It was heavenly what I discovered on YouTube. I was looking for it. Yeah.
Clint – Yes, because you’re not then just accessing the person who is the minister of your local church. No, you can access, like whoever you want with whatever sort of angle on the teachings that you want.
Inta – Right. I even discovered people that who had recently gone to God had died. They’re wonderful teachers and wonderful preachers. I was just gobbling up all this wonderful new knowledge every single day. I’m taking notes and I’m listening all day long. When I go for my walks, I take my phone with me and listen to YouTube everywhere. Under the mask, I was saying words of scripture that I’d learned by heart. So at least people couldn’t see my lips moving and think, Oh, she’s talking to herself because it was under the mask. With that, I could get away with everything.
Clint – It’s so funny. This overlaps with some stuff that I teach, which is the affirmations or incantations and how this language that we use is powerful. Can you tell us if you remember offhand, any of the more powerful scripture repetitions that you use things that you like to say to yourself?
Inta – Yes, I can do that, Clint. Let me just mention that this is not an easy thing to do. It’s not just a click of the fingers and you can do it. By the time that you are in the grip of this crippling fear or worry or depression, it’s become almost like a habit to a person. One thought at a time needs to be dismantled. Not just dismantled, but replaced so you take one negative thought out of your mind. You replace it with a positive thought from the scriptures and I turn to the Scriptures constantly. They were my source, the Scriptures. After a while, you become conscious of waking in the morning and not having a negative thought in your mind, which that’s what we’re aiming to get. We’re aiming to wake up in the morning and the first thing that we say is, Thank you, Lord, for making me whole. If you don’t believe in God, you can just say thank you for making me whole. Even when you’re not whole or even when you’re not healed or even when you are in agony or even when you are distressed, you just keep saying thank you for making me whole. With that, it puts it into the present active tense. As you mentioned Clint, could I share some words of the Bible placed with the audience? I’d love to. I was going to ask you if you would allow me to do that. So thank you very much for inviting me to do that.
Inta – Scriptures for healing and recovery. The very first scripture that I learned was at the church services, at the Healing Services, and the reference for that scripture is Psalm 103 -1-5. It says the first three verses of that say, Bless the Lord, oh my soul, and forget not all his benefits and blessings, who forgives all our sins and trespasses, and who heals all our diseases. I read those words. I thought that can’t apply to me. How can God heal Rheumatoid Arthritis? That’s too difficult for me and this is my reasoning. I thought to myself this is written in the Bible. I’m just going to start saying it. Without actually understanding it all, I’m just going to say it. From that day on, I’ve kept on saying and I will for the rest of my life. Be merciful to me, O Lord, so I am in distress. My eyes grow weak with sorrow, my soul and body with grief. But I trust you, Lord. You are, my God. My times are in your hands. Isaiah 53 -5 says, by his stripes we are healed and there’s no doubt about that. Amen and Thank you, Lord. He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble and He saved them. He sent His Word and healed them. I mean, the Lord is my shepherd and I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me by the still waters and He restores my soul. He leads me on paths of righteousness for his namesake. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil for you are with me. Your rod and your staff, comfort me. You prepare a table for me, in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil and my cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever. Amen. Worship the Lord your God and His blessings will be for you. They will be on your food and water. He will take away sickness from us. Exodus 23 -25, the Lord will bless our food and water. I love that verse in the Bible, in the Old Testament. Then, every time I took Paddison Program, I was saying, Lord moist most high. Lord my savior. Bless this food and water for my health and strength and the glory of your kingdom. He has every mouth he blesses. Lord, you restore me to health and let me live in your love. You keep me from the pit of destruction that’s in Isaiah. In the New Testament, let’s listen to the words of Jesus. In Mark 11 -24, Jesus said whatever you ask in prayer believe that you will have already received it and it will be yours.
Clint – And that is so true. I mean, there’s that statement is almost the guidelines for life. As I said before, some research has been done, Dr. Nisha Manek’s interviews that I’ve done explain how this has been done and it’s incredible. You are a living example of someone who has transformed your health by applying some responsible lifestyle changes and then adding this over top of that. Can you tell us what it feels like when you read out these scriptures? What’s your physiological state as you talk about this?
Inta – I am quivering with joy, Clint. I am just I can feel the Holy Spirit. He is in me and He is in all of us. I just feel that he is guiding this session for us today because we’ve invited Him to come along. Also, He is with us and we just give Him all the praise and the glory. Also, what we’re talking about here and to the listeners or our audience, we need to realize that this is not just physical healing. It is holistic healing and wholeness consists of mind, body, and spirit. So let’s all be mindful of that and not just focus on one area, but try and bring all those three areas together. This is what has happened in my life and that’s all I can say. Taste and see that the Lord is good and He can be trusted. His word is sure and He doesn’t tell a lie to confuse us and to trick us. No, His word can be relied upon and we can depend on His word. I digress a little bit now Clint, I’ll go back to my rheumatologist.
Clint – Yes, please and let’s hear what he said.
Inta – Because last year, I think I mentioned to you in my email that there was this defining date. In 2021, when it finally sort of all clicked into place and that’s when the belief gates flung wide open there. I just let my reasoning and I was trying to understand it, or I just put it all to one side. I just said, Lord, I believe and I receive. A month later and that happened in May of last year. Then, a month later in June, I gave up the methotrexate. I just stopped taking it or I just decided that I’ll give it a go and I’ll stop. I went to the rheumatologist and he didn’t want to talk about it and he didn’t want to ask any questions. He wasn’t interested and that was it. After nearly 18 months, I’ve never felt better.
Clint – Have you seen him since?
Inta – No.
Clint – Just to clarify. I can’t remember if we spoke about this briefly before or after we hit record here. But you wake up with no symptoms at all, right?
Inta – I said to him, Doctor, I’m feeling well and I’ve been healed. I said, the Lord has healed me and he didn’t want to know anymore about it. I said I’ve been psychologically, physically, and emotionally healed. It’s bodily, emotionally, and spiritually healed. That’s exactly right, thank you.
Clint – That’s funny.
Inta – It’s like being born again.
Clint – You paint a funny picture of the very pragmatic ten years of education. The rheumatologist sitting there with his white coat on and a stern look on his face as the next patient come in. Then, you walk in all happy and bouncing like I’m healed and he’s like here we go.
Inta – He said you don’t need me and you don’t need to come to me anymore. I said, how come? It is because I felt like talking to him about it, you see. I said, how come? Then he said, you don’t need to come anymore because you don’t need any more blood tests. With that, it was the reason why I don’t have to come anymore. I’m not having any more blood tests.
Clint – Oh, because you’re not on the methotrexate, right? As I say, it’s a funny juxtaposition of the exuberant healed lady who comes in bouncing off the walls.
Inta – Back then I was 72 or I’m nearly 1-2 weeks off 73. I just thank the Lord because one other promise is that He will renew us and restore that which was lost. Also, time and time in the Bible it talks about restoration and I love that word. It is because it’s true and there’s one verse here from Peter 5 -10, which is one of my favorites. After you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ will Himself restore, confirm, strengthen, heal and establish you. That’s a big promise there. It’s a promise. There are no maybes there and there’s no perhaps or that’s why I think this is a bit too hard for the Lord. No, there’s no arguing and it just will happen.
Clint – I love it. I love that we’re ultimately after complete confidence and control over our condition. When you have that belief that is instilled upon you with great certainty, then thy will be done right. There is so much power in this.
Inta – I will be done, those are beautiful words of creation. Words are powerful and words create. With that, it is why we say our words and we don’t think that these thoughts. Thus, we say them aloud because there’s power in the spoken word.
Clint – I used to say over and over again, I used to say pain-free, drug-free, back to massive energy. Like, I would have said that through 50,000 times. I mean, I used to say it 200 times a day.
Inta – I declare it now, you’re fantastic.
Clint – I used to have lists of things that I would say to myself each day and always rhyming kind of things. Like, I don’t even remember them now, but just things that oh yes, we’re going back a while now, but I used to say things like I’m stronger and more powerful than any time in my life. By the way, I started doing this many years ago when I attended Anthony Robbins seminars, who are big on affirmation and incantation. He has a generic one and you can search it online. It’s really good if people are just wanting to feel empowered. There’s one online that it’s the Anthony Robbins affirmation. It sounds like it starts with, I am the voice I lead not follow and I create, not destroy. One of the lines is I’m led by God and there’s some more powerful. We’re getting deep into this concept of self-taught, self-beliefs, affirmations, visualizing our future, and having a community around us that believe in our spirituality. This is powerful stuff.
Inta – Yep. There’s a verse that springs to mind. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Not just some things, all things through Christ. I am strong and be strong in the Lord strong. Then you turn around and say, that’s a verse. Then you turn around and say, I am strong in the Lord and the power of His mind, which we use the I am statements. You go back to the start of the Bible, back to Moses when he met the Lord on top of the mountain. The Lord said to Moses, go back to Egypt and tell the Pharaoh to let my people go. Then Moses said, who shall I say sent me? Then the Lord said, I am has sent you. How powerful is that? It is Jesus himself who says I am the resurrection and the life. I am the way, the truth. I am the good shepherd who gives up his life for the sheep. I am the bread of life and the bread of heaven. I am the everlasting water that gushes up inside all of us. He’s the great I am and that is the power of “I am”. Let us say, I am healed by his stripes. If you say that a thousand times a day as well, Clint, that works absolutely wonders.
Clint – Oh there’s no doubt and we’ve got a lot of things we need to do 1000 times a day. We’ve got to say the words to ourselves got to move our joints a lot. We have to give thanks. We’ve got to do a lot of things but completely agree. It’s well appreciated amongst many different forms or modalities of teaching that whatever you say after the words I am, has a profound impact on you as a human. Thus, that’s why we have to be extremely rigorous to eliminate anything negative that follows I am in our life.
Inta – You know, it is not good enough
Clint – Exactly, that has to go.
Inta – The thoughts that we replace or they are the very thoughts that we say, you be gone, I don’t want you in my life, and you’re not welcome. Then, you select which words you want to replace those negative words with and that’s powerful. Also, every young person needs to know that, and Clint as well. I’m a retired teacher, I love teaching, I adore teaching, and it’s in my DNA. I just adore it and that explains who I am. I just see the need for young people to learn the truth of guard your mind and guard your tongue as well. It is because the tongue can have life or death that comes from your tongue the words you speak. So is that exciting?
Clint – It is exciting and we’ve all lifted our enthusiasm for life by speaking with you. It’s been a pleasure to be in your presence, and hear your passion and your elation. It is because of passion, elation, and these sort of exquisite words. They’re hard to attain when we’re often in a dark place with rheumatoid arthritis. I pray, and my hope and intention for this interview are that the people who have embraced what we’ve discussed today. Also, learned from you can put some of this into their lives and have less pain, more elation, and more joy because we can all do with more of that. I want to say thank you very much for sharing with us today and for all that you’ve been through to get to a point where you have so much to offer.
Inta – Thank you so much, Clint, for inviting me. I thought I didn’t have the confidence to do it but look, we’ve done it. Thank you, Lord. Would you allow me, Clint, to say the blessing on all of us?
Clint – Please, let’s wrap up with a closing prayer.
Inta – Yes, the Aaronic blessing. The Lord bless us and keep us. The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious to us. The Lord lift up the light of His countenance upon us and give us His Shalom peace in the beautiful, the glorious, the wonderful, the powerful name of Jesus we pray. Amen and Amen.